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Deviousness `anmari has been spreading her infectious positivity throughout our community for over 6 years. Throughout this time Ana has been at the core of all things devious, passionately developing an eclectic gallery, helping organise devmeets, participating in chat events and also recently completed dedicating her time as a Community Volunteer. We are absolutely delighted to bestow the Deviousness Award for May 2013 to `anmari, congratulations! Read More
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I like your iPod thingy...
It better not magically migrate to my iPod like some Linuxy things did on my computer (I'm talking pre-epic-hard-drive failure, when my computer could dual boot)
^_^
I read my argument over like 10 times - and missed that...
You've dissapointed me.
I'm all for Apple, both from a pro-UNIX standpoint and from the standpoint that they are the only company offering Micro$oft a run for their money (though I admit they do a poor job of it by alienating many potential customers through ads etc.)
Macs and Apple have gotten a bad rap for doing something well. The computers themselves are built future-proof (which is something that many MS / Linux buyers or builders don't consider). They're simple to use, and from all of the OSX lookalike themes and screenshots, its apparent that people like SOMETHING about the OSX UI.
(I know I ranted, I just fail to understand what people have against Apple that couldn't also be applied to Microsoft if Microsoft didn't already have the fanbase it has.)
(That being said - I don't have a vendetta against MS, I just despise their business practices and how they muscle their way into markets because of the power of money rather than any sort of innovation in any field - though Windows 7 might prove me somehwat wrong on that front.)
True, although I'm more opposed to the architecture more than the actual UI.
It's a hybrid kernel (read: performance is about as good as trying to run your lawn mower on water), the filesystem is made of poo, but anything higher-level than that generally looks good and functionals better than the Windows or *nix equivalent.
Also the pro-UNIX part breaks down pretty quickly, seeing as they took some form of BSD and completely stripped it down, and rewrote most of the architecture. It's not really BSD, it's not really UNIX. It's just s-c-a-r-y.
As for the UI, I have nothing against it except that it's about the only thing attracting users. All it has going for it is the global menu and spotlight, both of which can be simulated with either GNOME (gnome2-globalmenu + deskbar) or KDE3.x (KDE-mod 4.x/Bespin has a globalmenu plasmoid IIRC). Not sure why the heck you would want or need it, but ok.
What Apple does is it works from the top-down, building an awesome UI, over-priced applications, but then spreads it all over a horrible architecture, and then ships it pre-installed on their over-priced hardware. And then of course they get all the profit because user Joe thinks it's way better than windows because it looks better, it has a lot more applications, and it makes you look cool to shell out $2k+ to own one.
Microsoft went down the same path after XP and .NET, so right now neither are going to be on my desktop anytime soon, only in VM's if I ever need to use one for school.
My argument was made from the standpoint of a general user utilizing Apple's products. Apple does well in attempting to appeal to a large group of people, and you'd probably see them on top or at least on par with Microsoft were the two realms of personal computing and business computing so intertwined.
All in all, Yes. Apple has their problems and they aren't looking to fix them any time soon, but the merit of the viable alternatives is looking pretty bleak for the time being as well, because Microsoft is slow about reacting to user's wants and needs and GNU/Linux, as much as I adore it, is just coming into it's own on the desktop market.
However, I fail to see why you would choose to discriminate against Apple so vehemently but not draw the line for Microsoft products as well. I find it interesting, as most people I've seen are open to Apple but are Anti-Microsoft and from your Windows screenshots and your anti-Apple sentiments expressed above, you seem to be just the opposite. I'm not implying that you are PRO-Microsoft, but you're at least willing to use their products.
One thing we can both agree on, however: GNU/Linux FTW! :-D
I think Microsoft is just as bad, though, and as I said, anything newer than XP SP1 is a waste of money, time, sanity, etc. I use Windows XP because it's saner than Vista, it's reliable (if you use it right, I think MS gets a bad rap because most of the users are gullible idiots who fall for the marketing tricks and scams out there, at which point MS responds in the wrong way by going overboard and making crap like Windows Genuine, etc...), and it doesn't necessarily put me in the same ditch as GNOME and Aqua would - "You are an idiot, your desktop will look, function, and perform how we want it, and there are no options to change it, and don't try to tell us to implement feature X, because it's not happening, so go ahead and spend hours on end attempting to change it manually."
With that said, though, I admit that most publishers, newspaper companies, etc... do use Macs, primarily. Nothing wrong with that, seeing that most professional publishing/design software that exists today was built on/designed for OS X, and simply performs better on it. Photoshop, Safari, etc just aren't the same on Windows as they are on Apple. You're a web developer, so you would recognize that.
It does come down to individual taste in the end, since you can't really convert die-hard Apple, Microsoft, or GNU/Linux fans - I personally find alternatives to software like Textmate, Photoshop, etc - essentially one of the only reasons one would own a Mac, for the great software - on Windows or Linux, and I can function fine with them - like Krita and Kate.
And yes, Linux ftw
I agree with you that most Windows users are idiots and that XP and Microsoft as a whole has gotten a bad rap for something they really can't be held responsible for.I'd also agree that XP is more mature as far as hacking the UI goes - but the default windows UI assumes that you're just as much of an idiot as Aqua does, though GNOME is infinitely worse here.
Many newspapers and similar companies utilize Macs, but probably not for the reason you imagine. We use Macs at the paper I work at partially because of the integration of Adobe's products into the User Interface (which is what I believe you were getting at by stating that they were 'built on/ designed for OSX'
I can manage to find alternatives to most software - I use the Gimp for most personal files, though I can't seem to adapt to the Corel DRAW / XaraLX/ Inkscape method of illustrating. Sadly enough, the ONLY reason I even want a Macintosh is for the spectacular support that Apple offers (since I can't modify the computer itself.) and the integration of Adobe's products into the UI.